president obama, the vice president biden that will be there. speaker boehner they'll be in this meeting. to you here, chip -- not chip, sorry. to you here, blake, where do they begin? >> i think there's on this one way to get the deal done, and that's through the senate. probably highly unlikely, and then you would have to impress upon jane boehner, so i think we're looking at a very small likelihood we have any sort of significant deal other than a plan that lowers taxes. >> so you're somewhat pessimistic. what about you, robert? >> cautiously optimistic. he's exactly right. the only other thing i think could happen is in fancy pelosi, who quite franly has a stronger hand, is able to get enough democrats on her side to actually push this over the top with moderate republicans. let's be honest about this. speaker boehner tried and he nailed. so is there a minority/majority coalition to come together to get something through the house. >> does it come from mcconnell? >> that's the other question is whether or not senator mcconnell plays along. i